Treman, Anna Marie Tierman

1825 - 1881  (56 years)

• Name	Treman, Anna Marie Tierman  [1]
  Birth	1825	Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany   [2, 3]
  Gender	Female
  Residence	1850	Benzinger, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA   [3]
  Arrival	15 Jun 1857	New York, New York, USA   [3]
  Departure	Bremen, Germany   [3]
  Name	Anna Marie "Mary" Tiemann  [3]
  Name	Anna Marie Treman  [2]
  Residence	Alfhausen, Osnabruck, Niedersachsen, Germany   [3]
  Residence	Between 1860 and 1880	Benzinger, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA   [2, 3]
  Death	1881	St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA   [2, 3]
  Person ID	I80050	WETZEL-SPRING

  
  

  Family 1	Wortman, Christian,   b. 1809, Bremen, Bremen, Germany d. 1880, St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA (Age 71 years)
  Marriage	27 Aug 1850	Pennsylvania, USA   [1]
  	20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m __________ Media: 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Dave VanKerkhove research for Anna Marie Tieman (Treman) and her first husband, John Gerard Wehage. The spelling "Vehagen" was a misunderstanding by the census taker of the pronunciation of his last name. There is clearly some confusion about Armill Wehage and Xavier Wehage being born in the same year, unless they were twins. 1John C Wetzel Like Comment 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m _____________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Genealogy research of Dave VanKerkhove for Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman 1John C Wetzel 1 Comment Seen by 1 Like Comments John C Wetzel Do you know more about the location, 'Toupia' in Germany? I can't find it. Like · Reply · 27m 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m ____________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 DBossart44 is Dave Bossart, described here, erroneously, as my Half 3rd cousin. This is because I currently have John Gerard Wehage as my 2nd great grandfather. Once this is changed back to Christian Wortman this will change to "3rd Cousin". 1John C Wetzel Seen by 1 Like Comment 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m ____________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 The 2.5% Shared DNA between Dave Bossart and me is on the high end and even exceeds the percentages shown here for full 3rd cousins. Like Comment ___________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt 3 hrs 17 June 2020 John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage 1John C Wetzel Like The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm.
  Children	1. Wortman, Francis Xavier,   b. Feb 1851  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   2. Wortman, Mary Ann,   b. Dec 1852, Pennsylvania, USA d. 1934 (Age 81 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   3. Wortman, Bernard,   b. 1855, Pennsylvania, USA d. 1894, St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA (Age 39 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   4. Wortman, Barbara,   b. 13 Mar 1857, Pennsylvania, USA d. 29 Nov 1935, St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA (Age 78 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   5. Wortman, Pauline,   b. Mar 1859, Pennsylvania, USA d. 1924 (Age 64 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   6. Wortman, Catherine,   b. May 1861, Pennsylvania, USA d. 1936 (Age 74 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   7. Wortman, Anthony J.,   b. 1867, Pennsylvania, USA d. 1934 (Age 67 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F50617	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 2	Vehagen, John Gerard /Wehagen,   b. Abt 1824   d. Jul 1850, Benzinger, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA (Age 26 years)
  Marriage	1846  [3]
  Children	1. Wehage, Augustus,   b. Abt 1847, Benzinger, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   2. Vehagen, Armill Wehagen,   b. 1849, Pennsylvania, USA  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   3. Vehagen, Xavier Wehagen,   b. 1849, Pennsylvania, USA  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   4. Vehagen, Mary-Ann Wehagen,   b. 10 Jan 1850, St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA d. 2 Mar 1945, St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA (Age 95 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F50618	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

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  Birth - 1825 - Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany Residence - 1850 - Benzinger, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA Marriage - 27 Aug 1850 - Pennsylvania, USA Arrival - 15 Jun 1857 - New York, New York, USA Departure - - Bremen, Germany Residence - - Alfhausen, Osnabruck, Niedersachsen, Germany Residence - Between 1860 and 1880 - Benzinger, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA Death - 1881 - St Marys, Elk, Pennsylvania, USA  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Photos » Slide Show		vanKerkhove, Dave anc Wortman_Tieman FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Dave VanKerkhove research for Anna Marie Tieman (Treman) and her first husband, John Gerard Wehage. The spelling "Vehagen" was a misunderstanding by the census taker of the pronunciation of his last name. There is…
  		vanKerkhove, Dave anc Wortman Kentes,K Anc FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 DBossart44 is Dave Bossart, described here, erroneously, as my Half 3rd cousin. This is because I currently have John Gerard Wehage as my 2nd great grandfather. Once this is changed back to Christian Wortman this will…
  		vanKerkhove, Dave anc Wortman_Treman FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Genealogy research of Dave VanKerkhove for Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman 1John C Wetzel 1 Comment Seen by 1 Like Comments John C Wetzel Do you know more about the location, 'Toupia' in Germany? I can't find…
  		PA death cert 19450302 Mary Ann Wehager Herbstritt.jpg 20200617HAv- Mary Ann Herbstritt in the Pennsylvania, Death Certificates, 1906-1967 Name: Mary-Ann Herbstritt [Mary Ann Wehager] Gender: Female Race: White Age: 95 1 20 Birth: 10 Jan 1850 St Marys, Pennsylvania res: Eshbach Road, St Marys, Benzinger, Elk, Penna, for 95 yrs occ: housewife, retired Death: 2 Mar 1945 23:00h Eshbach Road, St Marys,…

  
  

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  [S1703] FaceBook- ?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants. 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m __________ Media: 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Dave VanKerkhove research for Anna Marie Tieman (Treman) and her first husband, John Gerard Wehage. The spelling "Vehagen" was a misunderstanding by the census taker of the pronunciation of his last name. There is clearly some confusion about Armill Wehage and Xavier Wehage being born in the same year, unless they were twins. 1John C Wetzel Like Comment 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m _____________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Genealogy research of Dave VanKerkhove for Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman 1John C Wetzel 1 Comment Seen by 1 Like Comments John C Wetzel Do you know more about the location, 'Toupia' in Germany? I can't find it. Like · Reply · 27m 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m ____________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 DBossart44 is Dave Bossart, described here, erroneously, as my Half 3rd cousin. This is because I currently have John Gerard Wehage as my 2nd great grandfather. Once this is changed back to Christian Wortman this will change to "3rd Cousin". 1John C Wetzel Seen by 1 Like Comment 20200618HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Larry Herbstritt Admin · June 15 at 11:06 AM I recently received genealogy documents compiled by one of my DNA relatives, Dave VanKerkhove. Dave is a descendant of Barbara Wortman. Barbara Wortman was the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman. Dave's information, combined with a recent DNA match with another "Dave", Dave Bossart, a descendant of Francis Xavier "Frank" Wortman, sheds new light on the mystery of the parentage of Mary Ann Wortman. Francis Xavier was the first son born to Christian Wortman & Anna Marie Tieman. According to Mr VanKerkhove's records, Francis Xavier Wortman was born February 1851. His records also show that Christian Wortman and Anna Marie were married 27 August 1850. Some simple math would imply that Francis Xavier would have been conceived some time in May of 1850. In June of 1850 Anna Marie was shown on the 1850 Federal Census Record to be married and living in the household of John Gerard Wehage and they had a 4 month old daughter named Mary Ann. In July of 1850, John Gerard Wehage died at the age of 26, from what was described as "COLIC". The next month, on August 27, 1850, Anna Marie married a much older man, Christian Wortman, who had been a "Laborer" on a nearby farm. It's difficult to interpret this information any other way than, the obvious. Anna Marie Tieman Wehage, must have had an affair with Christian Wortman while still married to John Wehage. Christian can be found on that same 1850 Federal Census as being in the household of Barnabas Anthony. To back this up even more, the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, described as a "half 3rd cousin" shares with me 171 cM of DNA on several different segments. We share 2.5% DNA which strongly suggests a full 3rd cousin relationship, not a half 3rd cousin relationship. It is now my conclusion that Mary Ann Wortman was indeed the daughter of Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman and not the daughter of John Gerard Wehage. Image may contain: text Image may contain: text No photo description available. No photo description available. 6You, Paul Lynn Gardner and 4 others 7 Comments Seen by 78 Like Comments Larry Herbstritt Does anyone else think that a 26 year old man dying from colic sounds suspicious? Like · Reply · 2d John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt hadn’t even thought of that, but now that you mention it... yes. Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 3h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage No photo description available. 1 Like · Reply · 2h John C Wetzel Larry Herbstritt looks like a town in Germany! Like · Reply · 2h Larry Herbstritt John C Wetzel St Marys was first settled by German Catholics as a Catholic refuge from the persecution they experienced in Baltimore and Philadelphia Like · Reply · 1h Larry Herbstritt Another, less intriguing, possibility is that Francis Xavier Wortman was fathered by John G Wehage. This would account for my 171 cM sharing match with the aforementioned, Dave Bossart, who is a descendant of Francis Xavier “Wortman”. Like · Reply · 46m Larry Herbstritt ATTENTION: A scenario occurred to me that would remove much of the intrigue concerning the actions of 1850 between Anna Marie, John Garard Wehage and Christian Wortman. Perhaps Francis Xavier Wortman was given that last name in error, and he and Mary Ann were indeed the daughter and son of John Gerard Wehage and John fathered the child (Francis Xavier) in May and Anna Marie being pregnant and widowed in July when John Wehage died, Christian Wortman came to the rescue and married her right away in August. This seems more reasonable and puts everyone in a much better light. This would also explain my high 171 cM DNA match with Dave Bossart, descendant of Francis Xavier Wortman Like · Reply · 54m ____________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 The 2.5% Shared DNA between Dave Bossart and me is on the high end and even exceeds the percentages shown here for full 3rd cousins. Like Comment ___________ 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt 3 hrs 17 June 2020 John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage 1John C Wetzel Like vanKerkhove, Dave anc Wortman Kentes,K Anc FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 DBossart44 is Dave Bossart, described here, erroneously, as my Half 3rd cousin. This is because I currently have John Gerard Wehage as my 2nd great grandfather. Once this is changed back to Christian Wortman this will… vanKerkhove, Dave anc Wortman_Treman FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Genealogy research of Dave VanKerkhove for Christian Wortman and Anna Marie Tieman 1John C Wetzel 1 Comment Seen by 1 Like Comments John C Wetzel Do you know more about the location, 'Toupia' in Germany? I can't find… vanKerkhove, Dave anc Wortman_Tieman FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 Dave VanKerkhove research for Anna Marie Tieman (Treman) and her first husband, John Gerard Wehage. The spelling "Vehagen" was a misunderstanding by the census taker of the pronunciation of his last name. There is… DNAnc relationship chart FB200615LHeSnE 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt?Herbstritt-Snyder-Essex-Figg-Davey-Chase-Dunn-Ellison Family Descendants Admin · June 15 · 2020 The 2.5% Shared DNA between Dave Bossart and me is on the high end and even exceeds the percentages shown here for full 3rd cousins. Like Comment census 1850 USA PA Elk Benzinger Wehage 20200617HAv- Larry Herbstritt 3 hrs 17 June 2020 John C Wetzel this is the Federal Census Death Schedule for Benzinger Township. It shows John Wehage 1John C Wetzel Like [S2325] Public Member Trees 2020, Meissner Family Tree - rholbert2444 / Barbara Wortman (83) facts. Record for Barbara Wortman (83) facts 20200617HAv- Meissner Family Tree - rholbert2444 / Barbara Wortman 1857-1935 BIRTH 13 MAR 1857 • Pennsylvania DEATH 29 NOV 1935 • St Marys, Elk, PA Record for Barbara Wortman (83) facts 20200617HAv- Meissner Family Tree - rholbert2444 / Barbara Wortman 1857-1935 BIRTH 13 MAR 1857 • Pennsylvania DEATH 29 NOV 1935 • St Marys, Elk, PA [S2000] Public Member Tree- HERBSTRITT-SNYDER Family Tree?? LARRY HERBSTRITT?, Record for John Gerard Wehage (28) facts. Record for John Gerard Wehage (28) facts 20200617HAv- HERBSTRITT-SNYDER Family Tree - LARRY HERBSTRITT John Gerard Wehage 1823-1850 BIRTH ABT 1823 • Germany DEATH JUL 1850 • Benzinger Township, Elk County, Pennsylvania, USA Record for John Gerard Wehage (28) facts 20200617HAv- HERBSTRITT-SNYDER Family Tree - LARRY HERBSTRITT John Gerard Wehage 1823-1850 BIRTH ABT 1823 • Germany DEATH JUL 1850 • Benzinger Township, Elk County, Pennsylvania, USA

  
  

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