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jenjenkins223
Feb 24, 2018
Hi! My DNA shows we are second or third cousins! I was wondering if we could share info and trees to help each other out? I'd really appreciate it.
Hope yo hear from you soon!
Jen
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James S. Flowers
Vital Events (3 of 12 timeline events)
Birth 16 Nov 1854 Indiana, USA
Marriage 1877 to Julia Davis
Death 21 February 1927 Pendleton, Madison, Indiana, USA
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Julia Davis
Vital Events (3 of 12 timeline events)
Birth 28 June 1861 Illinois, USA
Marriage 31 Jan 1878 to James S. Flowers
Hancock, (IN)
Death 4 July 1947 Pendleton, Madison, Indiana, USA
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Spouse and Children
Julia Davis 28 Jun 1861 - 4 Jul 1947
Emory Flowers 13 Jan 1879 - 15 Aug 1951
Cora Flower Oct 1880 - 21 Dec 1955
Clara "Ada" Flowers 7 Mar 1882 - 4 May 1953
Leora (Ora) Flowers 2 Jan 1884 - 21 Dec 1955
Charles Freeman Flowers 24 Feb 1887 - 2 Nov 1955
Walter Earl Flowers 27 Nov 1889 - ?
Rosa Flower Aug 1892 - ?
Clara "Ada" Flowers
Vital Events (3 of 11 timeline events)
Birth 7 Mar 1882 Greenfield, Hancock, Indiana, USA
Marriage 9 Nov 1901 to Edward W Jenkins
Death 4 May 1953 Pendleton, Madison, Indiana, USA
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Parents
James S. Flowers 16 Nov 1854 - 21 Feb 1927
Julia Davis 28 Jun 1861 - 4 Jul 1947
Spouse and Children
Edward W Jenkins 8 Aug 1880 - 1 May 1970
Hortense Marie Jenkins 6 Apr 1902 - 3 Oct 1988
Edythe Jenkins 20 Feb 1904 - May 1981
Horace R Jenkins 20 Jun 1907 - 18 Jul 1987
James Guy Jenkins 4 Apr 1912 - 16 Jan 1992
Kenneth Murry Jenkins 27 May 1915 - 22 Oct 1986
Roland Emerson Jenkins 27 Apr 1917 - 7 Oct 1995
Jean Ann Jenkins 17 Oct 1923 - Dec 1995
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Shared DNA: 208 cM across 13 segments
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- [S2839] ancestry.com inmail: JE Jen Jenkins, 2nd-3rd cousins; stronger Mike MEW connection.
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FEBRUARY 24, 2018
JE
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Hi! My DNA shows we are second or third cousins! I was wondering if we could share info and trees to help each other out? I'd really appreciate it.
Hope yo hear from you soon!
Jen
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06:36 AM
MARCH 2, 2018
01:38 PM
Hi Jen!
I just returned from a trip in Kenya, had sporadic wifi access, so I was thrilled to see your note this morning. You and I do not show a relationship, but you do connect with a relative, MW, whose parentage I have been researching intensely for the past several months. The link lies in the Flowers branch, it appears.
To complicate things further, for me, most of the DNA connections to MW fall through Margaret Dingman, my 4th great aunt, so I also show as a DNA link, but more distant than MW.
Not so in this case, apparently, since no DNA link shows between us, jenjenkins223 - wetzupdoc1 , as already noted. That itself should be a clue, nicht?
Thank you for writing. I've been looking at your posted tree and will continue to explore. You should be able to see mine. Let me know if you can't, or if you see any issues.
Thank you so much for writing!
john wetzel
01:53 PM
Hi Jen, I just responded a little earlier but I cannot see my note. I'll put it together again, if it doesn't show after a short grace period. I really appreciate your contact.
john wetzel
02:21 PM
OK, note is obviously lost.
I just returned from a trip in Kenya and was thrilled to see your note. It is not with me that there is a DNA connection but rather with a mysterious link to a relative, whose ancestry I've been intensely researching for several months. Your Flower line seems to offer another hint.
To complicate things further, especially since you and I do not seem to be related, the 'mystery' connection to my relative is also related through a line of Dingmans, in my direct ancestry(!)
At any rate, I've been perusing your posted tree and I assume you can access mine. Let me know if not, or if you have any questions or issues, and I'll be happy to resolve.
So glad your wrote,
john wetzel
Read, 02:21 PM
JE
Hi! Thanks so much for responding! I
Hope you had an amazing trip!! All three of your notes just popped up lol. Go figure....I’ve had the same thing happen to me before.
So I’m confused...your dna doesn’t show us as related? Mine has you as one of my top matches with a second cousin prediction. How odd is that?? Why would it say we link on one account but not the other? I actually can not see your tree at all because it’s listed as private. Can you invite me to see your tree? I’d love to see if we can find any connections. I’m always up for a good mystery!! Thanks so much :)
08:18 PM
Ok ignore half of that. My main page says we are second cousins. When I click on your name and info I now see where it talks about the link to mw. That’s so misleading!!! I’m bummed we are cousins because you seem so nice already but maybe the hint will still help us both out.
08:23 PM
08:23 PM
APRIL 21, 2018
02:47 PM
Hi Jen.
I'm trying to figure out why James S. Flowers is called Timothy James Flowers in familysearch. Do you know anything more about him?
john
Read, 02:47 PM
APRIL 24, 2018
JE
I’ve been looking at this all night. How strange! It’s listed as Timothy James on find a grave as well. I have a death certificate that clearly says James s on it. However, I don’t have much else on him except his parents name. If you do a search on the name Timothy James, I’ve found three different census 1860, 1870, and 1880 that list a Timothy J, James t or just Timothy all with variations of spellings of what appear to be his parents names. For example Ester is Hester and lc is Lemuel c. Dates are all accurate. It looks like our person in question also had an uncle named James. So I’m wondering if the middle initial s we have saved is incorrect and his names is James Timothy but he went by Timothy. There are some relatives with the last name of valentine who are on ancestry. This man should be their grandfather or great grandfather. He has photos posted that he’s scanned in last year. Maybe he would know more accurately? I figured a quick message won’t hurt :)
What do you think? Have you found anything else out? Any other thoughts?
Jen
09:05 AM
09:05 AM
JUNE 12, 2018
JE
Hello again! How are you? I took a little break but I've been pretty obsessed with ancestry stuff lately. I'm finally starting to learn a little here lol. So I'm still confused about this MW person. I am related to MW, you are related to MW but we are not related. So we are from two different sides of MW's family. But who is MW? Do you still think he/she is the flowers line for me?
I matched with a father daughter with the last name fleetwood. They have several flowers in their line about six generations back but we can't find the connection yet. It's a strong second cousin match though. It gets so confusing!!
I'm working to help a second cousin who was adopted find his biological family. Without dna tests yet I'm trying to rule any of my 4 lines out. He does not match to MW so if you are fairly certain we are connected on the flowers line then I can be confident he is NOT of the flowers line.
Any insight you can give would help a ton!! Hope your searching is going well. Talk to you soon :)
05:48 AM
05:48 AM
AUGUST 5, 2018
02:12 PM
Hi, Jen! Sorry I did not get back to you sooner.
MW is my half-brother, whose bio-paternal lineage I am desperately trying to solve. It appears to be through a David Perry, whose lineage goes back through Timothy James & Julia Etta Davis Flowers, your grgrgrandparents, as I have it. 'Flowers' also shows up in some middle names, harkening back to this Flowers line, I believe.
That we are not related, you and I, but we both are to MW (Mike) probably means that Flowers, or at least your Jenkins line, branches off in a direction not common to you and me. To explain a little- Further complicating my relationship to Mike is that his bio-paternal lineage is also shared by my/our maternal line. So a 2nd-3rd cousin to Mike might be my 5th-8th cousin(!) His bio-father apparently shares my 4th grgrandparents, John & Hannah TURNER DINGMAN, his branch going through my 4th great aunt, Margaret Dingman, who married Orange Woodruff Strong. [I am descended through Margaret's brother, Henry DINGMAN, married Amy Elmina BROCK.]
So I think that much of the puzzle is pretty clear, but my quest for Mike's father is still unresolved :O(
john
Read, 02:12 PM
AUGUST 8, 2018
JE
Hi! I sent a long message but not sure if it went through....
10:27 PM
Holy cow that does make it complicated!!! I’ll try to give some info that may or may not help but I’ll sure try!! So Flowers is from my dad father’s side of the family so that rules out his moms side. His dads name is Kenneth Jenkins and pretty much all of his family is from the Pendleton, Anderson, Madison county area in Indiana up to John Jenkins who is from Ohio somewhere.
Mw and I both match to the name chittester. There are three of them...William chittester as my second cousin match, Steve as my third cousin match and Mara g daffron chittester as my 4th cousin. Oddly enough William and Steve match mike but Mara doesn’t. Can’t figure that one out.
Where are you from? Where was mike born? And where was your mother born? I’ll try to look into this some for you. I love a good mystery.
10:34 PM
10:34 PM
SEPTEMBER 22, 2018
04:13 PM
I am in Richmond, VA now.
Mike was born and raised in Coudersport, PA, where dad and one brother still live, same house we grew up in.
Mom was born and raised in Allegany, NY, went to college for one year at Fredonia State, 1948.
Chiester family in Coudersport, My contemporaries but the DNA does not seem to come from that family.
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Read, 04:13 PM
FEBRUARY 19, 2019
JE
Hi! How’s the search going for your half brother mikes father? I’ve recently seen some new matches between him and me that may be helpful to you. Sorry it’s gonna be long but hopefully I can make it all make sense in writing.
So I recently matched to tommy Johnson and harry Yale sr. All three of us match to mike. Tommy Johnson’s mother Tammy is a fornsworth (who I believe we all four match to am unknown fornsworth on dna match). His mothers (Tammy) father married a Bertha chittester. Berthas sister is Beatrice chittester who married Howard Yale who are Harry’s parents. So with that I’ve found the links between chittesters, Yale, farnsworth and tommy Johnson. However I have no idea where I fit in.
Also I’ve recently come into contact with my dads uncles descendants. My dna does not match any of them and we are close enough relatives that it’s not possible to be related and not match at all. First cousins 1x removed and a second cousin both did the test. There are other jenkins lines that they match and I do not. My jenkins line is the one that has a branch into flowers which I know you have in mikes tree if I remember correctly.
So I suspect that possibly my paternal grandfather (Kenneth Jenkins) or great grandfather (Edward Jenkins who married Ada flowers) are not biological. My theory is that Ada may be Kenneth’s mother but Edward is not the father or Kenneth. Adoption with neither parent being biological is possible but I will say Kenneth and his brother Roland (whose line I do not match) look like brothers for sure. Given all the flowers connections you have plus the dna matches between mike. Me, tommy, chittesters and harry I’m wondering how this all fits in for all of us.
So let’s say my theory is correct...could it be possible that this mystery father who may have had a child with Ada flowers be the link we both need? There’s your flowers branch and I’m thinking it has to connect to the chittesters, fornsworth, Yale, Johnson dna matches. And to top it off, they are from Pennsylvania which I recall is where mike was born correct?? Some moved to Indiana in the 60’s which is where I’m from as well as my jenkins line.
It all adds up in theory so I’m super excited but hesitant to get my hopes up because it’s so complex as you know digging through this mess. I’d love to see if we can link any of this new line to where you said your maternal line and mikes paternal line meet. Dingman I believe you said. Harry is in his 70s and seems to have a great memory for his line so he may really be able to help us figure out if we are on to something.
I can’t wait to talk to you! Feel free to text me if you want. My number is 317-432-8587. I’d LOVE to chat with you if you think there is any merit behind these wild theories of mine lol.
Hope all is well!
Jen
11:56 AM
11:56 AM
FEBRUARY 20, 2019
JE
So it looks like you are way ahead of me on the chittester fornsworth links lol. I’m having trouble getting to your tree though. Can you invite me so I can see living people too? I really want to find out how they link to flowers. My email is jenjenkins@lycos.com for the invite. The tree I started with them is under Johnson if you want to look at that.
thanks!
Jen
10:16 PM
10:16 PM
FEBRUARY 21, 2019
08:08 PM
Just sent invitation with this message:
Hi Jen, this should give you access to my 2018 tree.
I just last night uploaded my newest tree to ancestry (I don’t sync them), I hope to add it here soon.
Let me know if you can or cannot access.
Sincerely,
john
Read, 08:08 PM
FEBRUARY 22, 2019
JE
Thank you!! If it’s ok can you set it so I can see the living people too?
12:38 PM
12:38 PM
06:01 PM
Done. sorry I didn't think of that :O)
john
Read, 06:01 PM
FEBRUARY 23, 2019
JE
Thanks!!! It doesn’t give you the option when you first invite someone. Kind of a pain. Lol
06:25 AM
06:25 AM
FEBRUARY 26, 2019
10:16 PM
agreed. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense,... or maybe if it does... or if i can do anything else.
john
Read, 10:16 PM
JE
So this is really strange. I accepted the email request while I had my cousins account open on my phone. Now it won’t let me accept it on my account and says its already been accepted lol. Can you delete that request and send again? Sorry to be a pain. Jenjenkins@lycos.com.
Also do you have any idea how you match to flowers and chittester? Trying to find the paths is like finding a needle in a haystack lol. I’m thinking you are the middle link but even then I don’t know. Have you shown a direct flowers to chittester link?
Thanks for everything!!
Jen
10:45 PM
10:45 PM
MARCH 4, 2019
10:56 PM
Jen,
I've re-invited you to my 2019 tree, since you have not yet responded to my earlier invitation. I'e also given permission to Living Individuals.
john
Read, 10:56 PM
MARCH 5, 2019
JE
Thank you!!!!
09:50 AM
09:50 AM
MARCH 9, 2019
JE
This needle in the haystack is quite elusive!! Any clue how chittesters could link to flowers??
04:04 AM
04:04 AM
JUNE 28, 2019
JE
Hey how’s it going? Any luck on your brother’s paternity search? I have a theory that might help. So I’m pretty positive oran w chittester had a child with my great grandmother Clara ada flowers. Given all the dna matches your brother and I have in common (Harry Yale, Maria Doran (farnsworth line), tommy johnson (his mother is Tammy farnsworth) and many others), I THINK your brother and I may share Oran as a grandfather. He would be my great grandfather. I believe him and Clara had my grandfather Kenneth Jenkins. I have dna matches with the flowers descendants side but not to any of the Jenkins lines that I should match to. I talked to Harry Yale tonight on the phone and he said oran was definitely a ladies man and had at least one child that he knew of with another woman besides his wife. Her name was Dorothy but he can’t remember the last name (I’m guessing she took her mother’s name). I’m going to try to call a few people tomorrow to see what they can tell me about oran. I’ve spoken with like 6 or 7 of those dna matches and they are all extremely friendly and willing to help. Chuck farnsworth reached out to me yesterday and said he thought he remembered his grandmother talking about a Jenkins family a lot. I can’t 100% prove it but I really think I’m on to something. My dad (Dennis Jenkins-the son of Kenneth Jenkins) has agreed to do the dna test so that should help confirm things. Or tell me I’m crazy lol. Hope this makes sense and can help you in some way.
07:50 AM
07:50 AM
JULY 2, 2019
03:56 PM
Thank you!
I will digest this. ????
Read, 03:56 PM
FEBRUARY 1, 2020
06:48 AM
Hi Jen!
I'm still stuck on my brother's bio-dad; I know a lot more, but ... not who he is yet.
Any progress on your end? New DNA results?
You've shared a lot, half a year ago.
john
Read, 06:48 AM
JE
Hi! Not much progress on my end as to the oran farmsworth theory. I did solve a huge mystery on my moms side though and now have a “New” aunt.
My dads dna test results will be ready in the next two weeks so im hoping maybe that can help confirm or disprove some theories. Maybe it will help you too. Your brother should match him so look for Dennis Jenkins.
I keep feeling like it all goes back to farnsworth and flowers but its so frustrating as you well know!! I think im close with oran being the link but not close enough to say im confident.
Fingers crossed my dads dna helps!! If i can help in any way let me know.
08:28 AM
08:28 AM
FEBRUARY 26, 2020
JE
Hi. Well i just got the shock of a lifetime. Apparently my dads dna doesnt match mine. My dad has no idea and for now i plan to keep it that way.
So that means i have no relation to flowers. Only farnsworth and chittester. My grandparents should be russel fsrnsworth and bertha mae chittester. After talking with several new family members they all agree that ronald farnsworth sr is most likely my biological father. Even his children agree. His son has agreed to do the dna test. So i guess i wait now. Ive been lied to for 40 years so whats another 6-8 weeks?
As for your brother if he matches me as a cousin thrn his father is most liky a sibling of my bio father. With that said there is one sibling named donald farnsworth who has at keast 24 kids that they know of. Where did you say your brother was born?
11:19 PM
11:19 PM
MARCH 5, 2020
JE
Hi! Just wondered if you got my last message or not. When is your brothers birthday? And what is his dna match to tommy johnson and marissa neubert? I think you have to be really close on this. Im thinking one of my new uncles or great uncles possibly. Let me know what you think??
06:57 AM
06:57 AM
MARCH 6, 2020
05:26 AM
Yes, Jen, sorry. I was catching up on my ancestry mail on the plane two nights ago to Germany; I'm in Hamburg, for my Goddaughter's wedding this afternoon.
I read your earlier note with fascination and couldn't wait to respond (except for another day, sorry again), and now to your follow-up.
Mike was born 26 April 1952 in Coudersport, Potter County, PA, so I figure he was conceived about 20 July 1951.
Mike's closest match in ancestryDNA is:
D.P., Managed by Faith Perry 1st-2nd Cousin Shared DNA: 837 cM across 25 segments
Mike's 1st-2nd cousin matches in ancestryDNA are:
Shared DNA:
Mark Wetzel (my son) 1,271 cM across 57 segments
George A Wetzel (my son) 992 cM across 39 segments
Carolyn Swift (my mom's cous) 855 cM across 41 segments
D.P. Managed by Faith Perry 837 cM across 25 segments Tree unavail
[- David T (Townley?) Perry, born 1948, Coudersport.]
Christy Kiely(my dau) 822 cM across 34 segments
Melissa Sweeney (cous' dau) 685 cM across 36 segments
Complicating matters a lot is that Mike's father shares a common ancestor to me as well, John and Hannah TURNER DINGMAN, my 4th grgrandparents! Their daughter Margaret married Luther Strong, starting Mike's bio-father's lineage.
A Robert Farnsworth is Mike's closest DNA match in 23andMe, 1st cousins XH...
Gotta run, will pick up here later.
john
10:29 AM
Michael Wetzel and Tommy Johnson
Predicted relationship: 2nd-3rd Cousin
Shared DNA: 258 cM across 13 segments
- You (jcw) and Tommy Johnson
Predicted relationship: 5th-8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 6 cM across 1 segments
Michael Wetzel and jenjenkins223
Predicted relationship: 2nd-3rd Cousin
Shared DNA: 208 cM across 13 segments
- none found with me (jcw)
Michael Wetzel and Marissa Neubert
Predicted relationship: 4th-6th Cousin
Shared DNA: 38 cM across 3 segments
- none found with me (jcw)
Jen- You, Tommy Johnson, and Marissa Neubert appear to be on the other side of your and Mike's birth father's DNA than the DINGMAN line, so that is probably a big clue, too. That, or the recombinant DNA didn't load much in common.
More later,
john
Read, 10:29 AM
JE
Congrats to your goddaughter!
This is all so crazy. Im going to look through with all i know given what you just sent me. I dont know if you have talked to any of the farnsworth family but im in contact with several of them. They are all extremely nice and helpful. I will see if they can help once i weed through this info.
What about aaron barlsbough? Is he a match and if so as what? Im pretty sure he is a match to him. He was adopted and born in newport news virginia in 1978. He is one of my closest matches and im very close to finding both sides of his parents.
I know i recognize dingman so if we are both related to them but not each ither that should tell us something as well. Ill have to check on that as well.
I feel like we are really close here. Can you text me when you have time? My number is 317-432-8587. Maybe we can arrange a time to talk after your trip. I want to help you figure this out!
04:52 PM
04:52 PM
06:39 PM
I’d forgotten that you shared your email and phone numbers. I’d very much like to talk and I will call you later next week after I return. I’ve added you as a contact, phone and email so you won’t be blocked from calling me, either.
I’ve never heard of Aaron Barlsborough, but I will look him up tomorrow.
Later, john
Read, 06:39 PM
JE
Well thats interesting...i just checked and your brother is not shown as a shared match to me and aaron. So maybe one of them is biologically on the farnsworth side and the other chittester side? Sounds like we have lots to weed through. Can you send me your number so i can save it as well?
11:47 PM
11:47 PM
MARCH 7, 2020
07:17 AM
Ugh! I meant to, earlier:
+1(803)414-8743 iPhone
wetzupdoc@me.com
john wetzel
Read, 07:17 AM
MARCH 8, 2020
JE
Its ok lol. Thank you!
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