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- [S394] Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Database online. Tackett Family Tree, Owner: gkobryan1 Last viewed: Elizabeth Vance, Skinner/Schinzel-Ahlemeyer/Haines Tree J_Ahlemeyer.
Record for Elizabeth Vance Elizabeth's story Elizabeth was daughter of Abner and Susannah (Howard) Vance. Her father was hanged for murder. He was in an altercation with the Lewis brothers over the sexual advances one had made toward his daughter -- likely Elizabeth. The brothers provoked him into shooting and his shot killed one of them although it was intended for the other. He was sentenced to hang and after three trials the execution day was set. He wrote a song about what happened which is now recognized as the oldest piece of folk music existing. (See story attached to his data) On the day of the execution, Abner address the crowd of nearly 4000 for an hour and a half, saying that life imprisonment was a more fitting punishment. The governor's pardon arrived after he was dead. Elizabeth never married. She was sister to Nancy Vance, the mother of Devil Anse Hatfield. Her own son, James, cousin to Devil Anse became known as Bad Jim Vance. gkobryan1added this on 27 Apr 2011 RoChaVaoriginally submitted this to Vance Family Tree on 25 Feb 2009
Elizabeth's story
Elizabeth was daughter of Abner and Susannah (Howard) Vance. Her father was hanged for murder. He was in an altercation with the Lewis brothers over the sexual advances one had made toward his daughter -- likely Elizabeth. The brothers provoked him into shooting and his shot killed one of them although it was intended for the other. He was sentenced to hang and after three trials the execution day was set. He wrote a song about what happened which is now recognized as the oldest piece of folk music existing. (See story attached to his data) On the day of the execution, Abner address the crowd of nearly 4000 for an hour and a half, saying that life imprisonment was a more fitting punishment. The governor's pardon arrived after he was dead.
Elizabeth never married. She was sister to Nancy Vance, the mother of Devil Anse Hatfield. Her own son, James, cousin to Devil Anse became known as Bad Jim Vance.
gkobryan1added this on 27 Apr 2011 RoChaVaoriginally submitted this to Vance Family Tree on 25 Feb 2009
- [S1351] June Green, e-mail: June Green, 01. GORDON5 ROBERTS (16) facts.
01. GORDON5 ROBERTS (JOSEPH4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, CORNELIUS1) was born May 1854 in Tazewell Co Va, and died 08 Apr 1924 in Iaeger, Wv. He married (1) PIETY VANCE. He married (2) PIETY VANCE 23 Feb 1873 in McDowell Co Wv, daughter of RICHARD VANCE and MARY STATEN. She was born 21 Dec 1850 in Logan Co. Va now Wv, and died 24 Oct 1939 in McDowell Co Wv. Gordon hand made his daughter Mary a spinning wheel she was my grandmother I have the spinning wheel, made ca 1898 Piety smoked a pipe, Gordon cut reeds & corn cobs to make her pipes Children of GORDON ROBERTS and PIETY VANCE are: 2.i.JOSEPH6 ROBERTS, b. 16 Dec 1873, Webster Co Wv; d. 08 Nov 1946, McDowell Co Wv. 3.ii.MARY ELIZABETH ROBERTS, b. 16 Dec 1876, Webster Co. Wv; d. 06 Oct 1906, McDowell Co Wv. 4.iii.CORNELIUS ROBERTS, b. 1878, Webster Co. wv; d. 08 Oct 1935, McDowell Co Wv. iv.ELIZABETH ROBERTS, b. 27 Oct 1880, McDowell Co Wv; d. 1881, McDowell Co Wv. 5.v.HANNIBAL ROBERTS, b. 30 May 1882, McDowell Co Wv; d. 18 Apr 1946, McDowell Co Wv. vi.MOSE ROBERTS, b. 28 Jan 1886, McDowell Co Wv; d. 1886, McDowell Co Wv. 6.vii.ELIZA ROBERTS, b. 27 Oct 1888, McDowell Co Wv.
From: jgreen2821@cinci.rr.com [mailto:jgreen2821@cinci.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:33 AM
To: wetzupdoc@adelphia.net
Subject:
Gordon's mother was Nancy Lester, Joseph second md. Elizabeth Vance d/o Richard.
Sister to Piety, Elizabeth had first md. Matthias Reed, he was killed in the civil war.
Elizabeth was probably named for her grandmother Elizabeth "wicked Betsy" as she was called for causing her father's death.
June
e-mail, June Green, 18 December 2005, GenRep attachment:
1. GORDON5 ROBERTS (JOSEPH4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, CORNELIUS1) was born May 1854 in Tazewell Co Va, and died 08 Apr 1924 in Iaeger, Wv. He married (1) PIETY VANCE. He married (2) PIETY VANCE 23 Feb 1873 in McDowell Co Wv, daughter of RICHARD VANCE and MARY STATEN. She was born 21 Dec 1850 in Logan Co. Va now Wv, and died 24 Oct 1939 in McDowell Co Wv.
Gordon hand made his daughter Mary a spinning wheel she was my grandmother I have the spinning wheel, made ca 1898
Piety smoked a pipe, Gordon cut reeds & corn cobs to make her pipes
Children of GORDON ROBERTS and PIETY VANCE are:
2.i.JOSEPH6 ROBERTS, b. 16 Dec 1873, Webster Co Wv; d. 08 Nov 1946, McDowell Co Wv.
3.ii.MARY ELIZABETH ROBERTS, b. 16 Dec 1876, Webster Co. Wv; d. 06 Oct 1906, McDowell Co Wv.
4.iii.CORNELIUS ROBERTS, b. 1878, Webster Co. wv; d. 08 Oct 1935, McDowell Co Wv.
iv.ELIZABETH ROBERTS, b. 27 Oct 1880, McDowell Co Wv; d. 1881, McDowell Co Wv.
5.v.HANNIBAL ROBERTS, b. 30 May 1882, McDowell Co Wv; d. 18 Apr 1946, McDowell Co Wv.
vi.MOSE ROBERTS, b. 28 Jan 1886, McDowell Co Wv; d. 1886, McDowell Co Wv.
June Green, e-mail: June Green, 22. Deskins, Mary Eliz consolidated 20190208HAv
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73. WILLIAM CHARLES8 DESKINS (MARY ELIZABETH7, MARY ELIZABETH6 ROBERTS, GORDON5, JOSEPH4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, CORNELIUS1)
was born 1924 in McDowell Co Wv.
He married CONNIE.
Notes for WILLIAM CHARLES DESKINS: Used named Charles Taylor
he was told that his step father was real father
Had several marriages, names unknown to me,
one wife was killed by a train in Nashville, Tn
Children of WILLIAM DESKINS and CONNIE are:
i. MELVIN9 TAYLOR.
ii. MARY ELIZABETH TAYLOR.
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22. MARY ELIZABETH7 DESKINS (MARY ELIZABETH6 ROBERTS, GORDON5, JOSEPH4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, CORNELIUS1)
was born 25 Apr 1904 in Iaeger, Wv,
and died 08 Mar 1989 in Detroit, Mich.
She married (1) REECE TAYLOR.
She married (2) AL ROOS. He died 18 Oct 1977 in Detroit, Michigan.
Child of MARY DESKINS and AL ROOS is:
73. i. WILLIAM CHARLES8 DESKINS, b. 1924, McDowell Co Wv.
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03.* MARY ELIZABETH6 ROBERTS (GORDON5, JOSEPH4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, CORNELIUS1)
was born 16 Dec 1876 in Webster Co. Wv, and died 06 Oct 1906 in McDowell Co Wv.
She married WILLIAM PATTON DESKINS 02 Apr 1897 in McDowell Co Wv, son of FRANCIS DESKINS and MARILDA STEELE.
He was born 01 Feb 1876 in McDowell Co Wv, and died 08 Apr 1928 in McDowell Co Wv.
Her family is in the Deskins family, md William Patton Deskins
Buried with Elizabeth Albert & F.M (sons) in family cemetery on Bull Creek McDowell Co. [He was only md. 2 times, not 3.]
Children of MARY ROBERTS and WILLIAM DESKINS are:
20. i.OCTAVIA JANE7 DESKINS, b. 15 Jan 1898, Iaeger, Wv; d. 08 Mar 1983, Beckley Wv.
21.ii.VICTORIA MARIE DESKINS, b. 25 Mar 1900, Iaeger, Wv; d. 20 Mar 1947, Bluefield Wv.
iii.NOAH DESKINS, b. 02 Feb 1902, Iaeger, Wv; d. 03 Jan 1924, Mingo Co, Wv; m. JESSIE DESKINS, 23 Mar 1923, McDowell Co Wv; b. 02 Mar 1900, Mingo Co. Wv; d. 1976, Mingo Co. Wv.
Killed in coal mines in Mingo Co. buried with his father.
She was a school teacher, came from Mingo to McDowell Co, boarded with William P. Deskins & md. Noah;
after Noah died, she returned to Mingo Co & md. a man named Williamson, had 2 daughters.
22.iv.MARY ELIZABETH DESKINS, b. 25 Apr 1904, Iaeger, Wv; d. 08 Mar 1989, Detroit, Mich.
v.WALTER DESKINS, b. 05 Jul 1906, McDowell Co Wv; d. 14 Oct 1906, McDowell Co Wv.
- [S1203] private communication: Varneyg1168Andrew, (Name: deannaj@zoomnet.net-- Carol Jean (Phillips) Vangar;).
- [S394] Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Database online. Tackett Family Tree, Owner: gkobryan1 re "Bad Jim" Vance Last viewed: Elizabeth Vance, Skinner/Schinzel-Ahlemeyer/Haines Tree J_Ahlemeyer.
Record for James "Bad Jim" Vance
James(bad jim) Vance
According to family history, james vance was killed around 1888 in the hatfield/mccoy fued. he reportedly shot two of randall mccoys daughters in the back while they were attempting to escape a burning house he reportedly set on fire. the mccoys had thier revenge on james vance.
gkobryan1added this on 18 May 2011 randyvance48originally submitted this to Vance Family Tree on 6 Mar 2007
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Elizabeth Vance, Mother of Nancy Vance Hatfield and "Bad" Jim Vance
Elizabeth Vance Notes are from: http://www.coalexchange.com/smith/mcdowella/pafg536.htm#15943
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Elizabeth Vance was born in 1794. [Parents--Abner Vance Sr was born about 1763 in NC. He died on 16 Jul 1819 in Abingdon, Russell Co,VA. He married Susannah Howard in 1779 in Russell Co,VA. Susannah Howard was born in 1767 in Russell Co,VA. She died after 1850 in Logan Co,WV. ]
She had the following children:
Fi Nancy Vance was born on 2 May 1813. She died after 1880.
Elizabeth Vance
1. "Reference Book of Wyoming County History", Mary K. Bowman, page 399.
James Brown married Millie Vance, daughter of Abner Vance, Sr.
Abner Vance, Sr. married in Russell Co, VA and settled on the Tug River near the present Logan Wyoming Co line.
His children were: James, John, Richard, Abner, Jr, Millie, Bettie and three other daughters, who married
(______), Perry, Francis Browning, and John McCloud.
Abner, Sr was hanged for killing (_______) Horton.
2. "Timothy Vance's Hompage", internet.
Elizabeth Vance, daughter of Abner and Susannah Howard Vance,"... fell in love with a man that did not have good intentions toward her. ...he ruined her reputation. Abner and Susannah tried to get the man to marry Elizabeth, but he refused. After a brief argument, Abner shot the man and killed him. He supposedly hid out in Logan Co, WV before coming back to Russell Co and turning himself in."
Elizabeth never married but had several children; one was "Bad" Jim Vance and another was Nancy Vance who married Ephriam Hatfield, the parents of "Devil Anse" Hatfield.
gkobryan1 added this on 17 May 2011
fiddlestix1224 originally submitted this to Riffe Family Tree on 8 May 2011
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Oker Damron, Devil Anse Hatfield, Jim Vance, Bill Borden
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Ock Damron, Devil Anse Hatfield, Jim "Crazy Jim" Vance and W.B. Borden. It was Jim… |
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Record for Elizabeth Vance
- [S394] Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Database online. Payne Family Tree, Owner: reynoldshoward48 Last viewed: John McCloud, Skinner/Schinzel-Ahlemeyer/Haines Tree J_Ahlemeyer.
Record for John McCloud I think John McCloud and Sarah Vance are different people than the John of Elizabeth Vance- jcw 07.06.2011
New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists about John McCloud
Name: John McCloud
Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1829
Age: 27
Gender: M (Male)
Port of Arrival: New York
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Place of Origin: Great Britain
Occupation: Farmer
Destination: United States of America
Ship: Ship Andes
Microfilm Serial Number: M237
Microfilm Roll Number: 13
List Number: 228
Source Information: Ancestry.com. New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2003.
Original data: New York. Registers of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York from Foreign Ports, 1789-1919. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. M237, rolls 1-95.
Description: This data set contains alphabetical listings of approximately 1.6 million individuals who arrived in the United States at New York from foreign ports between 1820 and 1850. The following types of information may be included here: gender, birthplace, age, occupation, country of origin, port of departure, port of arrival, date of arrival, destination, and name of ship.
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West Virginia Marriage Records, 1863-1900 about Margaret Brewster
Name: John McCloud
Spouse: Margaret Brewster
Marriage Date: 13 Aug 1868
County: Wayne
State: WV
Source Information: Dodd, Jordan, comp.. West Virginia Marriage Records, 1863-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
Original data: See Description for original data sources listed by county.
Description: Records of marriages performed in various West Virginia counties between 1863 and 1900.
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Record for John McCloud
- [S1342] Website: Vance- Abner Vance, by Timothy Vance, **.
New DNA testing proves that Ephraim "Vause" Vance and Theodosia "Hewlings" "Vause" Vance IS NOT I repeat IS NOT the parents of Abner Vance! The information on these pages indicating that Ephraim and Theodosia were his parents "All was clearly stated that it wasn't documented" is not correct, and will be removed asap. DO NOT post Ephraim "Vause" Vance and Theodosia "Hewlings" "Vause" Vance as the parents of Abner Vance as recent DNA testing has proven they are not! The story of Abner Vance has been told for years, most of them are relatively the same, and all with the same outcome. New information and insights have came to light. I ask that any decendent of Abner Vance, or anyone interested in this story to have a look at the information that has been found. This puts new ideas, and insight into the legendary story of Abner Vance. I want to thank Barbara Cherep for the many hours she spent looking for information concerning Abner Vance, his life, his trial, and his death. I also want to thank her for sharing her findings with the rest of us, Thank you, Barbara. Read Barbara's findings here: Two Sides To Every Story To Send This Page To Your Family And Friends Click On:
Elizabeth Vance b. 1794, d/o Abner Vance
This page contains links to all of the information I have about Elizabeth VANCE (b. 1794). She is the d/o Abner VANCE and Susannah HOWARD.
Elizabeth Vance b. 1794.
If you would like to view all of the Decendents I have for Elizabeth VANCE (b. 1794) Combined on one page CLICK: HERE
If you would like to view Elizabeth VANCE'S (b. 1794) individual children and their Decendents, click on the name of the child you want to see the Decendents of.
Elizabeth Vance b. 1794, d/o Abner Vance
Zebulon VANCE b.
Phoebe Easter VANCE b. 1812.
Nancy A. VANCE b. 1813.
Sarah VANCE b. 1815.
Richard VANCE b. 1822.
Mary VANCE b. 1831.
James VANCE (Bad Jim) b. 1832.
Contact Me
If you would like to contact me for any reason CLICK: HERE
Or send an e-mail to: tinylesmall@yahoo.com
Thanks
Tim Vance
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New DNA testing proves that Ephraim "Vause" Vance and Theodosia "Hewlings" "Vause" Vance IS NOT I repeat IS NOT the parents of Abner Vance! The information on these pages indicating that Ephraim and Theodosia were his parents "All was clearly stated that it wasn't documented" is not correct, and will be removed asap.
DO NOT post Ephraim "Vause" Vance and Theodosia "Hewlings" "Vause" Vance as the parents of Abner Vance as recent DNA testing has proven they are not!
The story of Abner Vance has been told for years, most of them are relatively the same, and all with the same outcome. New information and insights have came to light. I ask that any decendent of Abner Vance, or anyone interested in this story to have a look at the information that has been found. This puts new ideas, and insight into the legendary story of Abner Vance.
I want to thank Barbara Cherep for the many hours she spent looking for information concerning Abner Vance, his life, his trial, and his death. I also want to thank her for sharing her findings with the rest of us, Thank you, Barbara.
Read Barbara's findings here: Two Sides To Every Story
To Send This Page To Your Family And Friends Click On:
- [S394] Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Database online. murphy Family Tree, Owner: smurphyestepp52 Last viewed: Phoebe Easter Vance, Skinner/Schinzel-Ahlemeyer/Haines Tree J_Ahlemeyer.
Record for Phoebe Easter Vance
- [S1720] Public Member Trees, N/A, Hatfield Family Tree, Owner: kathyinvero Last viewed: Phoebe Easter Vance Record for Phoebe Easter Vance (80) facts 20230826GHLn-.
Record for Phoebe Easter Vance (80) facts
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- [S394] Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Database online., Skinner/Schinzel-Ahlemeyer/Haines Tree J_Ahlemeyer.
Record for Nancy Vance
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Vance Hatfield, Nancy- Devil Anse mother
Nancy Vance (Devil Anse Hatfield's mother) Toni Moweradded this on 31 May 2012 hatgirl1968originally submitted this to Pritt Family Tree on 5 Feb 2011 Was told by Uncle Hanford that we were related to Devil Anse Hatfield. This had to be the connection. |
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Nancy Vance (Devil Anse Hatfield's mother) Toni Moweradded this on 31 May 2012 hatgirl1968originally submitted this to Pritt Family Tree on 5 Feb 2011Category Type: Portrait / Family Photo Was told by Uncle Hanford that we were related to Devil Anse Hatfield. This had to be the connection. |
- [S394] Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, (Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;), Database online., Skinner/Schinzel-Ahlemeyer/Haines Tree J_Ahlemeyer.
Record for James Bad Jim Vance Elizabeth's story Elizabeth was daughter of Abner and Susannah (Howard) Vance. Her father was hanged for murder. He was in an altercation with the Lewis brothers over the sexual advances one had made toward his daughter -- likely Elizabeth. The brothers provoked him into shooting and his shot killed one of them although it was intended for the other. He was sentenced to hang and after three trials the execution day was set. He wrote a song about what happened which is now recognized as the oldest piece of folk music existing. (See story attached to his data) On the day of the execution, Abner address the crowd of nearly 4000 for an hour and a half, saying that life imprisonment was a more fitting punishment. The governor's pardon arrived after he was dead. Elizabeth never married. She was sister to Nancy Vance, the mother of Devil Anse Hatfield. Her own son, James, cousin to Devil Anse became known as Bad Jim Vance. Hans Friedrichadded this on 11 Apr 2011 RoChaVaoriginally submitted this to Vance Family Tree on 25 Feb 2009
Elizabeth's story
Elizabeth was daughter of Abner and Susannah (Howard) Vance. Her father was hanged for murder. He was in an altercation with the Lewis brothers over the sexual advances one had made toward his daughter -- likely Elizabeth. The brothers provoked him into shooting and his shot killed one of them although it was intended for the other. He was sentenced to hang and after three trials the execution day was set. He wrote a song about what happened which is now recognized as the oldest piece of folk music existing. (See story attached to his data) On the day of the execution, Abner address the crowd of nearly 4000 for an hour and a half, saying that life imprisonment was a more fitting punishment. The governor's pardon arrived after he was dead.
Elizabeth never married. She was sister to Nancy Vance, the mother of Devil Anse Hatfield. Her own son, James, cousin to Devil Anse became known as Bad Jim Vance.
Hans Friedrichadded this on 11 Apr 2011 RoChaVaoriginally submitted this to Vance Family Tree on 25 Feb 2009
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Bad_Jim_Vance_001[1] Hans Friedrichadded this on 11 Apr 2011 kcheyenne51originally submitted this to My Hatfield and Vance Line on 13 Feb 2011
Ock Damron, Devil Anse, "Bad Jim", and W.B. Borden. |
- [S1322] ?, Albert Varney and Emily Duty Varney GENEALOGY as it pertains to Hatfield/McCoy lineage, (Name: 13 September 1993;), Albert & Emily DUTY VARNEY.
- [S1334] avrem@aol.com, Hatfield34491Martha.com, (Name: Ancestry.com data base;).
- [S1334] avrem@aol.com, Hatfield34491Martha.com, (Name: Ancestry.com data base;).
has 'Big Eaf' born in Logan Co. Note that this reference also has his parents: John Hatfield, Isabella Vance
- [S1321] Donna L. Brown, census 1830 USA WV Logan (VA), (Name: @ donna.l.brown@iname.com;), 18.
Elizabeth Vance 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 * 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0; i.e., 1 male (5-10), 4 females (2x 5-10, 10-15, 40-50).
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