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Record for John Vance
History of John Vance
Logan Circuit Court Fall term 1854
The following paper was presented in court and was ____
Virginia, Logan County , Min of Arracena ___
This day formally appeared before me Thomas Dun English, Mayor of the town of Arracana, and Justice of the peace ex officio. John Vance of the County of Logan aforesaid who in being duly worn on the Evang____ of Almight ___ deposes and says that he knew Mrs. Jane Browning, the widow of Enos Browning, and mother of Henry, Charles, Caleb, Betsey, Frances, Edmund, James, John and Jacob Browning. That she died during or about the month of November 1842. That Caleb and Betsey Browning are dead and Henry and Charles believed to be and that the said Mrs. Jane Browning died at _land Creek in this County and furthermore this diplomat with ___.
Mark of John Vance
Sworn and subscribed before me, this ____ day of October 1854. This said diplomat being personally well known to me and __ ___ ___
Thomas Dunn English Mayor
Wherefore upon prayer of David Robinson the Court ordered the same to be recorded and directed the Clerk of this Court to Certify to the Pension office of the named State that the said Thomas Dunn English where name was ___ annexed and who acknowledges his signature in open Court.
We Abner Vance and Hannah Radar Residence of County of Logan & State of Va. Under our oaths declare that the foregoing declaration was signed & acknowledged by Polly Brown in our presence and that we believe that she is the identical person that she represents her self to be for they was were Both present at her marriage to and with aforesaid the aforesaid James Brown at the House of Abner Vance in the County of Russell Va. And that they was married by one Wm Hart a Circuit Preacher in the Methodist Church, and knows that they have lived ever since that time as man and wife to the time of his death and that said Brown died sometime in June about the 5th day 1859, and know that the aforesaid Polly is now a widow and that he died on Huffs Creek in Logan County Virginia at his late residence near the County Line of Wyoming an have frequently heard the aforesaid James Brown say that he was stationed at Norfolk Va. In time of the War and how he suffered and a great many things to tedious to mention. And heard say that he had received 80 acres land warrant and that he ought to have another 80 acres warrant and that he had got Wm Stratton to apply for the last 80 acres an that Straton said he lost the papers & did not get it and that he wished Ulysses Hinchman to get it for him and that now he is dead we have heard his widow Polly Brown desire said Hinchman to make application for said Bounty land given under our hands this 3rd day of Dec 1859.
John "Jake" Vance
1. "Marriage Records Wyoming Co, WV...", Vol 1, Haga, page 40.
William Grimmett, age 54, widowed, born in Franklin Co, VA, son of John and Deliah Grimmett, married on 2 Jul 1864 Tabitha Vance Hatfield, age 49, a widow, born in Logan Co, WV, daughter of Jake and Hannah Vance.
2. 1850 Census, Logan Co, WV, taken 4 Aug 1850, page 125, Family #99. Listed as John Vance, age 70, head of household, a farmer.
3. "Timothy Vance's Hompage", internet.
John Vance, born in 1781 in Russell Co, VA, married Hannah Radar in 1810.
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Hannah Rader
1. "Marriage Records Wyoming Co, WV...", Vol 1, Haga, page 40.
William Grimmett, age 54, widowed, born in Franklin Co, VA, son of John and Deliah Grimmett, married on 2 Jul 1864 Tabitha Vance Hatfield, age 49, a widow, born in Logan Co, WV, daughter of Jake and Hannah Vance.
2. 1850 Census, Logan Co, WV, taken 4 Aug 1850, page 125, Family #99. Listed as Hannah Vance, age 56, in household of husband, John Vance.
3. "Timothy Vance's Hompage", internet.
John Vance, born in 1781 in Russell Co, VA, married Hannah Radar in 1810.
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Levi Vance
1. 1850 Census, Logan Co, WV, taken 4 Aug 1850, page 125, Family #99. Listed as Levi Vance, age 25, in household of father, John Vance.
2. "Early Logan Co, VA/WV Marriages", transcribed by Vicie Waskey Fowler.
Levi Vance, age 27, born in Logan Co, WV, son of John and Hannah Rader Vance,
married on 18 Aug 1853 Mary McDonald, age 22, born in Logan Co, WV, daughter of Jonas and Rebecca Clark McDonald.
3. 1870 Census, Logan Co, WV, Tridelphia District, page 544, Family #2.
Listed as Levi Vance, age 48, as head of household, a farmer.
4. 1880 Census of Logan Co, WV, compiled by William A. Marsh, Vol 11, page 688. Logan District, page 032.
Listed as Levi Vance, age 55, head of household.
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From: "Carole Hammond"
Subject: Vances in 1824 Logan Co., VA Tax List ???
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:06:30 -0700
Does anyone know who the 2nd John Vance is...the one without the horse? And who is Sarah Vance. Was she a widow of one of the Vance brothers? I believe that the 1st John Vance and Abner and James were the sons of Abner and Susannah Vance.
1824 Logan Co Tax list
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvlogan/1824taxl.htm
Col. 1 White males over 16 yrs
Col. 2 Blacks over 12 yrs old
Col. 3 Blacks over 16 yrs old
Col. 4 Number of horses
John Vance 1 0 0 1
Sarah Vance 0 0 0 1
John Vance 1 0 0 0
James Vance 1 0 0 1
Abner Vance 1 0 0 1
The Abner Vance Family by Grace Dotson
Recently I was give photocopies of several pages from the old Russell County Virginia Land Entry Book. The book contained the following Vance Information
"April 3rd 1806: Abner Vance enters 25 arces of land by virtue of part of a Land Office Treasury
Warrant #1855 dated the 18th day of March 1796 lying in Russell County (VA) on both sides of the Lavisa Fork of the Sandy river beginning on the bank of the river about a quarter of a mile above the 12 mile tree andrunning down the river including the house and improvement where the said Vance Lately lived and to include all or so much of the good land as the quantity will admit.
January 31st 1816: Wiliam Ratliff, Sen Enters one hundred acres of land by part of a Land Office (Exchange) treasury Warrant #1978 dated December 10th 1808 lying in Russell County on both sides of Lovisa fork of the Sand river to begin at the ford of the river first below where John Vance now lives and to run up the river on both sides to incldue all of the good land and the plantation where John Vance now lives and to run up what is called big Prater creek to indlude the good land on it.
February 3rd 1816: Francis Browning (married to Tabitha daughter of Abner Vance of Sandy enters thirty acres of land by part of a Land Office Tresury Warrant No 1078 dated December th 10th 1808 lying in Russell County on each sie of the Levisa fork of he Sandy river beginning at the upper end of the bottom at the 22 mile tree and running down the river and binding on the rive and the hills to include the bottom and all of the good land where the said Browning now lives.
Not dated, but follows Francis Browning's entry of 3 Feb 1816: Richard Vance enters twenty two acres of land by part of a Land Office Treasury Warrant No. 4829 dated Feb 3rd, 1812 lying in Russell County on the North East side of the Lovisa fork of Sandy river and a little above the 18 mile tree to begin at the upper end of the bottom where the said Vance now lives."
All of this land is locatred in Buchannan County Virginia which ws created from parts of Russell and Tazewell counties in 1858. The land is located from approximately 2 miles below the confluence of the Dismal River and the Levisa River to the upper end of royal City on Rt 460. The Levisa is a tributary of the Big Sandy river and Buchanan is the only virginia in which it flows. In Abner Vance's ballad he sang "no more Sandy to behold:, this land was "Sandy".
This land, along with thousands of acres of Buchanon County land, was part a series of law suites which were not settled until well into the 1900's. A Londoner, Richard Smith, obtained immense grants in the area that is now Buchanan County and never settled the land. Numerous people lived on the land and moved on when they could not get deeds from the state.
Just below the Breaks, on the Virginia side of the line, my father showed us a place and told us that someone kin to him had shot and killed a man "right there". I think I am very close to proving the place Abner shot Horton was just below the Breaks in what was then Russell County VA but is now Dickenson County Va. From this location it would have been very simple for him (and the relatives) to have gone down river to Pikeville and cross over into present Logan County. To add to these thoughts. Elkhorn City Ky is a small Pike Co town, below the Breaks and above Pikeville. The William Ratliff mentioned in one of the land entries went to Elkhorn City when he left the Levisa and the James Aldridge who was listed by Abner on the 1782 Montgomery Co VA census also lived in Elkhorn City at that time. Grace Dotson
973 Forest Drive
Harlem, Ga 30814
From: MDotson973@aol.com
Subject: [WVLOGAN] Abner's son John Vance, early 1800s
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:49:40 EST
Vance: Floyd Co KY
Bond dated 25 Mar 1813 between Richard Vance and Lewis Haver for a marriage beween Richard Vance and Mary Simes.
Bond dated 25 Mar 1813 by John Vance and Samuel Allen for a marriage between John Vance and Mary Wilson.
Bond dated 21 Mar 1826 by Bryce Hale and William Wilson for a marriage between Brice Hale and Polly Vance . In other documents Mary was Mary Polly.
August term 17 Aug 1818. Ordered a subpoena issued against John Vance to appear and show why his children shall not be bound out as the law directs and the sheriff is directed that on the service of the same he take possession of said children, named William and Susanna Vance, and have them here at the next court..
Seems to me that John and Mary must have divorced, I have found no divorce record. Mary married Brice Hale. I do not know what happened with William and Susanna..
No Vances on 1810 or 1820 census in Floyd.
Grace Dotson
Carol e,
I do not know when John married Hannah Radar, but the marriage record mentioned in my article is correct.
John and Richard (sons of Abner) and strangely, Lewis Horton, were all in the area of Floyd Co., Ky that became Pike Co., Ky between 1810 and the shooting of Horton. Their exact location was on the Russell Fork River between the Breaks of the Cumberlands and Elkhorn City, Ky..
Grace Dotson
Carole,
I believe John Vance married 2nd or 3rd Hannah Rader as he is married to a Hannah in the 1850 census. Up until now I had the John Vance that married Mary Wilson separate until I could find some additional proof. So William Vance b. abt. 1811 may be from a first marriage and I now I have the following as children of John and Mary (Wilson) Vance:
Susannah 'Susan' Vance b. abt. 1815 in Virginia
Isabel Tabitha Vance b. abt. 1815 in Virginia
Nancy A. Vance b. abt. 1817 in Virginia
Elizabeth Vance b. abt. 1818 in Virginia
I have the following children of John and Hannah (Rader) Vance:
Abner Vance b. Bef. 1823 and died 13 Sep 1847 in New Orleans, Louisiana
Levi Jackson Vance b. 2 Aug 1824 in Rich Creek, Logan County, (West) Virginia
Asenith 'Sena' P. b. Apr 1826 in Logan County, (West) Virginia
Maybe Vanessa Allen has some thoughts on this.
1850 Logan County, (West) Virginia census, p. 125, #99:
John Vance 70
Hannah 56
Levi 25
Sena 22
Joel
From: "Jim and Vanessa Allen"
Subject: [WVLOGAN] Abner's son John Vance, early 1800s
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:23:23 -0800
The only additional thing I have to add is that John Vance's daughter Tabitha [Isabel Tabitha, born about 1815] named her mother as Hana on her marriage record, when Tabitha married William Grimmett in 1864 after her husband John Hatfield died. So it sounds like Mary Wilson may have died young, then John Vance married Hannah, who was either Tabitha's mother or at least raised Tabitha from an early enough age so that Tabitha considered Hannah her mother.
Since John Vance married Mary Wilson in 1813 and Tabitha was born about 1815, it does seem likely that Mary would have been Tabitha's mother,
doesn't it?
There's a scanned image of an old transcription of the Wyoming County marriage record when Tabitha Vance Hatfield married William Grimmett at http://saulsville.tripod.com/marriages/marriages1_9.html
It's down the page quite a ways, marriage record No. 20.
The marriage record also says that Tabitha was born in Russell County, Virginia. So it appears that John Vance may have moved back to Russell County from Pike County, before he moved to Logan County before 1820? John, Richard, Abner, and James Vance were on the 1820 Cabell County census (before Logan County was formed).
Vanessa
mellybelly1414added this on 13 Jul 2012
keithvgolforiginally submitted this to ALL AMERICANS-SOUTHWEST WEST VIRGINIA OUR FAMILY on 17 Sep 2011
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Vance, John
John Vance mellybelly1414 added this on 17 Apr 2011 Jeannie Whitten Tyler originally submitted this to WHITTEN/HOLLEY TREE on 8 Mar 2008 |
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Record for William Anderson Dempsey
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