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John Hopkins
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7 February 1543 – 10 September 1593
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When administration of John's estate was granted to his widow, a William Hopkins supported her bond. He was not their son William because he was not yet 21 when his father died. This may have been John's brother. It could have been the William Hopkins who married Constance Marline in April 1591/2. That would explain why John's son Stephen named his second daughter Constance.
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His inventory, taken 4 September 1593, was valued 37 pounds. No real estate, no livestock, no reported amount of cash. There were 15 beds in the household. . . .. Read the excellent note left by Dave in 2013 . . . ==== See http://tinyurl.com/Johnson-
His inventory, taken 4 September 1593, was valued 37 pounds. No real estate, no livestock, no reported amount of cash. There were 15 beds in the household. . . Read the excellent note left by Dave in 2013 below this one. See details of the inventory at http://tinyurl.com/Johnson-Book (published 2007).
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John Hopkins was born, probably in Hamps
John Hopkins was born, probably in Hampshire, England, say 1550, probably relation to 'one Hopkins' of Upper Clatford, Hampshire mentioned in the deposition above. He first appears in Upper Clatford, Hampshire, when he was married in 1574. By 1586 he was living in Windhester, where his name is found in the lay subsidies for that year. He died, probably in Winchester, before 4 October 1593, when the administration on his estate was granted to his widow Elizabeth, with her bond suported by William Hopkins; the inventory of goods for John Hopkins of Winchester appears in the appendix of this article. If the relationships suggested in this article are correct, this William Hopkins may have been John Hopkins's brother or other close relation; he was probably not the son William who was baptized in Uper Clatford in June 1575. The latter William would have been 18 in 1593 and probably could not legally have signed the bond; it is also unlikely that the William baptized in 1575 was the man of that name who married Constance Marline in April 1592, when he would have been younger than 17. John Hopkins married first in Upper Clatford on 28 October 1574, Agnes Borrowe. She died before 28 uly 1579, when he married there, Elizabeth Williams. She was probably living in Winchester in 1594." 803
The surname Hopkins is found in the village of Upper Clatford as early as 1553 . . . This Hopkins family is found in the parish register covering the years 1571 to 1624 of All Saints Church, Upper Clatford, as follows:
'A register of the Baptisms, Marriages and Buriales of U-Clatforde'
1575: 'Wm the son of Jon Hopkins the 16th of June'
1577[/8]: 'Alice the daughter of John Hopkins the 20th of March'
1581: 'Stephen the son of John Hopkins the last of Aprill'
1584: 'Susanna ye daughter of John Hopkins the 24 of June'
1601: 'Edward the son of Edward Hopkins the 24th of May'
Marriages:
1574: 'The 28th day of October Was married John Hopkins and Agnis Borrowe'
1579: 'John Hopkines to Elizabeth Williames the 28th day [interlined: of] July'
1599: 'Edwarde Hopkines to Alice Sweetaple the 12th of Novembre' " 803
"Douglas F. Vick, Ed., Cental Hampshire ay Subsidy Assessments, 1558-1603 (Farnham, Surrey, 1987), 29-30 (hereafter cited as Vick). This same work includes the following later assessments for the Soke of Winchester and City of Winchester:
Soke of Winchester:
1589 The libertie John Hopkins G[oods] £4 (Vick, 29)
1590 The libertie John Hopkins G £4 (Vick, 30)
City of Winchester:
1563 St. Thomas Parish John Hopkins G £4 (Vick, 66)
1594 St. Thomas Parish Elizabeth Hopkins wid L[and] £1 (Vick, 66)
1594 The parishe of our Ladie of Calender John Hopkins G £3 (Vick, 64)
It seems likely that the Joh Hopkinses listed in the Soke of Winchester and City of Winchester are two separate individuals. The Elizabeth Hopkins mentioned as a widow taxed for land in the parish of St. Thomas is probably the widow of John Hopkins and the mother of Stephen Hopkins.' 803
"On 4 October 1593, administration on the estate of John Hopkyns of Winchester was granted to widow Elizabeth with William Hopkines posting bond. Hursley historian S.C. Rawdon arranged to have the following transcription made by Mrs. Barbara Burbridge of Ampfield (near Romsey), Hampshire, which we have checked against a copy of the original." Text to be entered. 803
"Particularly interesting items in John Hopkyng's inventory are his military uniform and equipment kept in the kitchen: '1 bow & sheaf of arrows, 1 sword, 1 dagger, 1 skull [i.e., helmut], greave & warbrace [i.e., armor for arms, hands and lower legs].' Most likely he was a yeoman archer serving in the militia. Fro his military apparel. one can form a graphic picture of an Elizabethan bowman fully dressed and ready for battle.
From the variety of beds included in all rooms of the house, we can conclude that it was full with family members and perhaps some servants. There were thirteen bed spaces: four in the parlor, two in the fore chamber, four in the second chamber, three in the kitchen. While it is impossible to determine if all beds were in use, the number certainly indicates that the four rooms provided a large number of bed spaces and this does not include two more in the little chamber, which was probably used for storage."
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The inventory of his estate was taken 4 SEPTEMBER 1593. He probably died late August 1593.
June 16, 2013
They usually waited an "appropriate" period of mourning time before taking the inventory.
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Read Dave's note at the bottom of John's page for why we don't know his parents. See "Edmund"
November 23, 2014
Read Dave's note at the bottom of John's page for why we don't know his parents. There are no records that Edmond is the father and Elizabeth Fisher was an error for the wife of Stehpen of the Mayflower. There are two instances on PRF/AF where the sife of the "father" of John is a redate for the wife of a totally different Hopkins.
The Edmond has eerily similar dates to another Hopkins man who often shows as connected to this family---a Stephen Hopkins "born in 1518" who "died in 1591" supposedly, except there are no baptism, marriage, or death dates for him nor any baptisms of any children. There IS a hit on Ancestry for a probate of an "Edmund Hopkins" in 1581 in Shropshire, at http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=edmond&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=hopkins&gsln_x=NN&msddy=1581&msddy_x=1&cpxt=0&catBucket=rt&uidh=bz3&cp=0&msddp=1&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=1037007&recoff=3+4&db=UKprobate&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1
but there's no evidence he was married to Elizabeth Fisher and had a son named John. It looks like Stephen's birth got mixed with Edmund's death and Mayflower Elizabeth Fisher added to the mix.
The Mayflower Hopkins family wasn't from Gloucestershire. That was all a BIG fiasco based on one sentence in a book that said it was only a possibility. For 100 years we've been trying to put it back in the bottle.
The whole "Norfolk" thing was invented in a different book in the late 1890s. See it here: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hopkins/5435/mb.ashxLess
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See how Nicolas & Mary got invented. See the real Stephen Hopkins family at . . .
November 16, 2014
Everything you need to sort out things for Mayflower Hopkins and his family is here
-- ( #1. ) -- Easiest place for all the basics:
One-pager at http://mayflowerhistory.com/hopkins-stephen/ AND http://tinyurl.com/SHOPKINSbook
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then follow up parts of Caleb Johnson's book
http://tinyurl.com/Johnson-Book (published 2007 with parts now at FREE GoogleBooks)
. . . .
That is the man responsible for the 1998 find in Hampshire of the burial of Stephen's wife, Mary, and inventory and probate from May 1613, plus baptism records of the three kids. This is the place for all the basics on researching this family. . . . .
-- ( #2. ) -- from NEHGS -- Researching the Mayflower--Sorting the Good from the Bad.
http://tinyurl.com/RSRCH-Mayflower (27 pages -- Part IV is good) . . . . .
-- ( #3. ) -- WIKIPEDIA at http://tinyurl.com/WIKIPEDIA-Stephen-Hopkins has current information on first wife, Mary .
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-- ( #4. ) -- http://www.mccarterfamily.com/mccarterpage/stories/stephen_hopkins/intro.htm. . . . .
-- ( #5. ) -- http://pilgrimhopkins.com/site1/Newsletters/AC_su07.pdf . . . . .
-- ( #6. ) -- http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/pdf/Stephen_Hopkins_17th_Century_Documents.pdf .. . . . .
-- ( #7. ) -- http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hopkins/5435/mb.ashx for an explanation of how he got tagged with the birth date of 29 Oct 1581, the Gloucester and mythical Constance Dudley messes, and how Nicholas Hopkins & Mary Poole got invented as his parents
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These available in a large library:
- Caleb Johnson, "The True Origins of Mayflower Passenger Stephen Hopkins," The American Genealogist, 73(1998):161-171. . . . .
- Ernest M. Christensen, "The Probable Parentage of Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower," The American Genealogist, 79(October 2004):241-249. . . . . .
- Austin, Mayflower Families (Vol. 6): Stephen Hopkins for Five Generations, General Society of Mayflower Descendants. . .
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Irrelevant information
February 5, 2015
This wasn't the proper place to put this information. It could be true that this couple doesn't exist but this isn't the place for this information.
"invented in a book in 1890"
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