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Record for Edward Winslow
Edward Winslow, Sr
Edward WINSLOW
BIRTH: Born 17 Oct 1560, in the Parish of St. Andrews, Worcester, England where his father died.
MARRIAGE(S): Married Eleanor Pelham, daughter of Sir Herbert Pelham 1585/1593; married Magdalene Ollyver 4 Nov 1594 at St. Brides Church in Fleetstreet, London, Middlesex, England. Pub. "Genealogy of Edward Winslow of the Mayflower" by Maria Whitman Bryant, c. 1915 pg. 3, E. Anthony & Sons, Inc., New Bedford, Mass.
DEATH: Died 1620 Parish of St.Andrews, Worcester, England.
BURIAL: Buried in 1620 at Droitwich, Kempsey, Worcestershire, England.
Edward Winslow, son of Kenelm Winslow, moved north to Droitwich where he entered the business of extracting and selling the famous Droitwich salt. Salt at that time was essential for preserving meat and in treating the byproducts of sheep. Father Kenelm was a yeoman, but Edward refereed to Mr. was considered Gentleman, probably from the background of his mother, who was almost certainly Elizabeth
Initial source: Family group sheet in the FGRA collection of the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, submitted by Gerald R. Fuller, 2624 Battery, Little Rock, Ark. His sources: The Hamlin Fam note 96 p 126, Savage Gen Dict Vol 4 p 600.
BIRTH: Not clearly established. (see below)
MARRIAGE: Not clearly established that there was a marriage before the one to Magdalene Ollyver, the latter from film FHL 801595 which is the parish register of St. Peter de Witton Church, Droitwich. Another record with same date is in St. Bride Church, London, London, England. (see below)
DEATH: Estimated date from pg 172 of "The American Genealogist", Vol 41, in an article "Clues to the Ancestry of Winslow of Droitwich" by John G. Hunt. Probable place suggested by a statement on pg 23 of vol. 121 of "New Eng. Hist. and Gen. Reg.", in another article by John G. Hunt, "The Mayflower Winslows". He gives "Mayflower Heritage", by D. Kenelm Winslow of London, as the source.
The FGRA has LDS proxy sealing of his marriage to Magdalene Ollyver 26 Apr 1966 ARIZO. The 1997 IGI has several entries, one is extracted, to "Magdalen" (no surname) proxy sealing 7 Dec 1982 SEATT, another to "Magdalene" (no surname), 1 Nov 1946 SLAKE. Others with Magdalene Ollyver with various sealing dates, some from temple films and others from form submissions. It has 95 entries of his marriage to Eleanor Pelham in the British section!! A few of these may be duplicates but most of them were done since 1992.
The FGRA sheet has Edward's birthdate as 17 Oct 1560 and shows a first marriage to Eleanor Pelham. However, a series of articles by John G. Hunt, B.S.C., of Arlington, Va., appeared in "The American Genealogist", vol 41-43, in which he says (Vol 42 pg 186) the date of birth for Edward and the first marriage to Eleanor Pelham have never been documented. He says the birthdate originated, with no source given, in Holton's "Winslow Memorial", published in 1887-1888. It may be that he doubts that date because evidence has been uncovered to establish the probable birthdate of his purported father, Kenelm, as 1551, (see notes for Kenelm) making it impossible for him to have had a son born 1560. Mr. Hunt guesses Edward was born nearer 1572. There was an article in Vol 42 pg 86 of "American Genealogist", by Meredith B Colket, Jr., suggesting that the 1560 birthdate for Edward may be right and that the problem with it is in assuming that Edward was son of Kenelm when he may be brother instead. Mr. Hunt, in answer, (pg 186) said he did not think it likely. It is not clear in Mr. Hunt's article what was the source of the purported first marriage. He said it appeared in "Americana Illustrated", also without a source. He said further that both statements, of birth and of first marriage, have been accepted by some and not by others ever since. He said further "Indeed, we can find no record attesting the existence in Worcestershire of any Pelham family at that or any related era."
A family group sheet showing this first marriage is in the FGRA collection, also submitted by Gerald R. Fuller, with sources: Tilson Gen. and N.Y. Gen and Bio Rec V46 pg 306. It shows Eleanor born 1564 of Droitwich, Worcester, Eng., daughter of Sir Herbert Pelham, and lists two children, Richard, born abt 1585, Droitwich, married 1605 Alice Hurdman, and died 20 May 1659; and Margaret, born 1589, Droitwich, married Robert Hicks and died 1665. There was a note on the sheet, "It has been noted that discrepancies appear on this record....." It didn't specify what they were and they are not apparent.
The 1997 IGI has 95 entries of his marriage to Eleanor Pelham in the British section!! A few of these may be duplicates but most of them were submitted since 1992. About 12 are with date before 1594, the rest with only the year 1620. The 1997 IGI has an extracted marriage to Magdelen (no "e" on the end and no surname) with date 3 Nov 1594, Saint Peter, Droitwich, Worcester, England, from film FHL 801595 which is the parish register of St. Peter de Witton Church, Droitwich. It also has a marriage entry with wife's name Magdalene (no surname) the same date but St. Bride Church, London, London, England, from temple film FHL184772. Others with Magdalene Ollyver, same date (or 4 Nov) and place, some from temple films and others from form submissions. One of Mr. Hunt's articles, found in "The American Genealogist", vol 41 pg 168, says Edward Winslow and Magdalene Oliver were married in 1594 at Saint Brides, Fleet Street, London. It gives the source as "Dictionary of National Biography", sub "Winslow, Edward"; cf. Charles Edward Banks, "The English Ancestry and Homes of the Pilgrim Fathers" (1929), 98-99.
There is a note in "Notes and Queries" published in "NEHGR" vol 24 (1870) pg 329, sent in by Joseph L. Chester, London, which says he found the following marriage entry in the parish register of St. Bride's, Fleet Street, London: "1594, Nov. 4. Edward Winslowe and Magdalene Ollyver." It looks like two authentic records exist of the marriage, one in Droitwich, Worcester, and the other in London. The two places are at least 100 miles apart. Perhaps the one in Droitwich was made only for information and not at time of the actual performing of the marriage. An article by Mahomet G. Jones, Ogden, Utah, titled "The Winslow English Pedigree Critically Examined", (FHL 990094 it 9).found in pamphlet form in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, reviews the various theories and comes to the conclusion that none of the conjectures about the wife of Kenelm Winslow of Droitwich are probable enough to accept. He also has questions about the paternal pedigree saying that it needs to be substantiated.
A more recent article in "NEHGR" vol. 154 (2000) pg 78, by Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, reviews the Hunt articles and other sources in depth and comes to the conclusion that the most likely, but by no means proven, theory is that the mother or Edward Winslow of Droitwich may be an un-named daughter, (or even Blanche, one that is named but for which no marriage is found), of Fulke and Elizabeth (Willoughby) Greville. He also shows familial connections of the Greville family to the Hesilridge and Foliott families which could explain why the cousin connection with them.
From "The Mayflower Winslows" in NEHGR V. 121 pg 26: Edward Winslow was a salt extractor of Droitwich, Worcs, England. By his wife Magdalene he had five sons who were early settlers of New England. "Of these the eldest was Edward, 1595-1655, sometime governor of Plymouth Colony. ... Not long before the outbreak of the American Revolution, Governor Thomas Hutchinson, a well informed political figure, writing of Gov. Edward Winslow, asserted that he was 'a gentleman of the best family of any of the Plymouth planters.' On the other hand, in 1951, Bradford Smith, wirting apropos of the humble status of the generality of the Mayflower passengers of 1620 asserted: 'Efforts have been made to prove that Winslow came from a higher step in the English stairway of classes. There is nothing to sustain this'. Taken together, however, there are several records that clearly support the statement that Edward Winslow was a gentleman. . . .
Specifically:
1. In 1607 at Droitwich (Edward, Sr.) was styled 'Mr.', a prefix of respect not casually bestowed in that era.
2. By 1611 he had become surety for Simon Clarke, Esq., who in 1617 was to be created baronet.
3. By 1620 Winslow was under-sheriff of Worcestershire; at that period such a position would rarely have been given a man who had no important families to call cousins.
4. Before 1635 he was well liked by Thomas, Lord Coventry, who in 1620 had been M.P. for Droitwich, a native of Crome Dabitot, near the towns in which Winslow's ancestors had long lived." (This statement was made in a letter concerning the son Edward, so probably was after the death of Edward, Sr.) "
5. In 1647 Elizabeth Bosville, a lady of an aristocratic ancestry, was wife to Herbert Pelham of Bures, Essex, Esq., who in writing that year to John Winthrop, governor of Massachusetts Bay called Edward Winslow 'my cosen.'
6. In 1650 Lady Dorothy Hesilrige (Mrs. Pelham's aunt and cousin) styled herself Winslow's 'loving cosen.' In or before 1705, Archbishop Wake, 1657-1737, stated that Edward Winslow was 'a Gentleman of a Good Family in Worcestershire.'
Considering the foregoing factors, it seems fair to state that while Kenelm Winslow was a yeoman, his son Edward was a gentleman. It appears that Edward's status may have derived from his mother." (Further conjecture as to the identity of his mother has not been substantiated.)
Further in the article, "The will of Thomas Harton, dated 14 Sept 1620 and proved Dec. following includes under the heading 'Desperate Debts,' the following: 'Edward Winslowe some time under sheriff of co. Worcester, owes money for which I can get no payment as he has fled to Ireland. Sir Henry Follett has my bonds for same. ... Possibly the indebtedness of Winslow derived from his having helped Simon Clarke and Charles Stamford, for Chancery Proceedings of 24 Oct 1611 show this answer to a bill of complaint of Richard Moore, gent.: 'Answer (only) of Edward Winslow: Subject Winslow was surety on a bond.
Simon Clarke and Charles Stamford were principals' (Banks MSS, Rare Book Room, Library of Congress, red bound series, fo. 749)." In NEHGR V. 122 pg 176 is the following: Edward Winslow "was first recorded as styled 'gent.' in 1600; he was probably undersheriff by 1607, when called upon concerning 'writings' in a lawsuit concerning the grammar school at Hartlebury, Worcs. From these clues it seems possible the elder Edward Winslow may have been undersheriff by 1600 and that he was chosen for that office by William Child, brother-in-law of Elizabeth Foliott, ... ; it was usual at that time for sheriffs to select undersheriffs from among their kinfolk." Further on in the article it states that Edward had holdings in St. Andrew Holborn, Middlesex, in 1602, and still further that Thomas Gower, nephew of Elizabeth Foliott, ... bought in 1605 a salt boilery in Droitwich which he sublet to Edward Winslow. Mr. Hunt estimates that Edward of Droitwich died about 1630.
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Edward WINSLOW
Edward WINSLOW was born on 17 Oct 1560 in Saint Andrew, Worcester, England. (9994)(9995) He died before 1631.(9996) (9997) He was a salt biolery owner. (9998) Parents: Kenelm WINSLOW and Catherine.
He married to Magdalene OLIVER on 4 Nov 1594 in London, England. (9999)(10000) (10001) John's bothers Edward and Gilbert came on the Mayflower in 1620. John came on the Fortune in 1621. John's brothers Kenelm and Josiah arrived before 1632. Children were: Edward WINSLOW, John WINSLOW (Yeoman), Eleanor WINSLOW, Kenelm WINSLOW, Gilbert WINSLOW, Elizabeth WINSLOW, Magdalen WINSLOW, Govenor Josiah WINSLOW..
He married to Eleanor PELHAM. (10002) Children were: Richard WINSLOW ..
9994. William Richard Cutter. New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial; a Record of the Achievements of her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation; Complied under the Editorial Supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume I. New York, NY: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1915. Page 376.
9995. William Richard Cutter. New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial; a Record of the Achievements of her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation; Complied under the Editorial Supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume IV. New York, NY: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1915. Page 1957.
9996. William Richard Cutter. New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial; a Record of the Achievements of her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation; Complied under the Editorial Supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume I. New York, NY: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1915. page 376.
9997. William Richard Cutter. New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial; a Record of the Achievements of her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation; Complied under the Editorial Supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume IV. New York, NY: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1915. Page 1957.
9998. Caleb Johnson (author's website). The Mayflower Passenger List (biographies). http://www.members.aol.com/calebj/mayflower.html, 2001. Edward Winslow page.
9999. Ibid. Edward Winslow Page.
10000. Robert Charles Anderson. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Vol. III P-W. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995. Page 2029.
10001. William Richard Cutter. New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial; a Record of the Achievements of her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation; Complied under the Editorial Supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume I. New York, NY: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1915. Page 376.
10002. Ibid. Page 376. .
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LDavies49 Edward Winslow1595-1655: According to Wikipedia Edwards parents were, Edward Winslow, 1560-1620 & Magdalene Oliver.Ollyver, b. 1566 who came from Doritwich, Worcestershire, England.
Edward(son) was an apprentice printer in London at which time his wife was Elizabeth Barker. He sought refuge in Holland from the law and to pursue his religeous pratices.
The Mayflower provided him a way to get far away from the rule of King James I.
Edwards wife, Elizabeth died 24, Mar, 1621 and a month and a half later Edward married
Susanna Fuller, White widow of her late husband William White who also perished during the cold first winter at Cape Hook, Provincetown, Harbor.
About a month and a half later Edward & Susan married, 12 May 1621. The first couple to marry at Plymouth Colony. The couple had 3 sons, 1 daughter & 1 infant who did not survive.
Edward did take atrip back to England to try to help overthrow the Kingin 1649, he never returned to Plymouth or his family there.
He became commissioner of a British naval mission against Spain in the West Indies.
Windslow contracted yellow fever and died 7 May 1655 near Jamaica. It was reported that his body was buried at sea yet his name appears on the gravestone of his wife Susanna and on plaques/monuments with many others at the Pilgrim Memorial Tomb, Plymouth, MA.
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Winslow
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